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Puzzled by color test

I have a nice chocolate boy that i just has color tested, He carries the gene that would produce silvers, im really confused since im not aware of any silvers in his line as his line is of VERY well known dogs. I dont pretend to understand the exact color genes they carry but this is the only labrador that I have that came back carrying that gene. HELP me understand please?? I dont have silvers, would not have a silver and I assume i wont get silver from him unless he is bred to one. Im still learning and that is why im asking you

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Which company did the color test? I don't believe Vetgen or the other company in the US (can't remember the name) tests for the "silver" gene.

Have you contacted the breeder with this info?

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How can he have the gene for Silvers when there is no such color in a "pure" breed lab? Must be a mistake!

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Any breed can produce a dilute gene. So yes they are all still purbreds. That was how all these blue colored breeds came about, even silver labs. As long as you do not breed to a silver it is not a problem.

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It means your dog carries a gene for "dilution" - which is what makes Weims silver and Dobes blue, etc. He is capable of producing a dilute offspring IF mated with a bitch that also carries the gene. She does not have to BE silver, just needs to carry one of the genes.

I would be interested to know which company you used as well.

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Yes, what company and did it really say silver or dilute of light shade.

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Healthgene tests for dilutes.

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Why would anyone be testing for dilutes unless they had thoughts of breeding for it? Is there really a dilute test for Labs? If there is, I won't be using Healthgene, as that would mean they are offering support for those that want to breed outside our standard.

Couldn't access the website that explains it. It there an additional fee?

This sounds fishy I think.

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Healthgene tests for dilutes.

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All of the major players in gene testing have a test for dilution now. For some it is an "optional" test and priced separately. Here is the page from DDC that explains their test.
http://www.vetdnacenter.com/canine-dna-coat-color.html

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This place here actually test for dilutes plus long hair coat gene, they are one of the companies doing all the testing for Pawsitive ID except for the PRA gene for Labradors, which is done in The Bahamas.

You can get all these test done through the TX based DNA Lab for $40 that includes all coat color testing.

I found out they are doing the testing for Pawsitive and found their website with prices.

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"that would mean they are offering support for those that want to breed outside our standard. "

I know we tend to get tunnel vision about our breed, but remember that ALL of these DNA laboratories process samples for any breed. For Dobe or Dane breeders, it is important to know if your dog carries the dilute gene. The laboratories just offer a testing service - how people use it is not their responsibility.

I think the dilution gene is one that is included in the InGen testing routinely. The other providers let you select which color genes are tested in order to keep the costs down for their users.

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Actually, their website does not state they test for all of the Lab colors or long-coat. Look at the list you posted - where does it say the red/yellow gene or long-coat are tested? TYRP is listed - ONE of the gene loci for "brown". MLPH is listed - the area concerned with dilution. What about yellow??? Did you get this information by phone, because it is not on their site?

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I got the information over the phone, if you call them I am sure they would be more then happy to discuss what they test for or don't test for.

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IT SAYS DILUTE, WHICH I THOUGHT MEANT SILVER ONLY, BUT IT DOESNT AFTER I MADE A FEW CALLS TODAY.

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I do know the silver genes is mostly in the field lines. I have learned that. And there is a place you could start to trace back some dogs possibly in your lines. But I don't know who the OP is, No name.

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Could it be possible that someone might want to know if their dog carries a "dilute" gene in order to AVOID producing it? Perhaps a breeder who is against breeding silver, or anything other than the standard, would want to make sure they never accidently produce it by making sure they don't breed two dogs together that both carry the dilute gene. Not to say the some breeders arn't looking to breed it, but that certainly does not mean that every breeder who tests for it is out to try to produce it either. Try to keep an open mind.

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I saw silvers for the first time about 25 years ago. They were from a combination of field/show breeding. Some of the best import lines were represented. I traced the pedigree back at that time and found the first silvers in the line were a cross back on ONE specific litter. That breeder also owned Weims. I suspect some (if not all) of the pups in that litter were sired by a Weim. The litter was from a chocolate dam, so the pups would have all been chocolate - other than by type, you would not have known the sire was anything other than a Lab.

A grandaughter from one of the females of that litter was crossed back to a dog from that litter in the pedigree and some of the pups were registered as "silver". There may certainly have been other places this cropped up over the years, but THIS particular silver line was traced back to one litter that may have introduced all the dilution we see today. I was glad that I did the pedigree research when it was still only 4 generations back.

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With more people using PawsitiveID/Ingen it will be interesting to see if the lighter cream labs have the dilute gene. I heard that the lighter cream labs with "lace" ear markings almost all go back to receiver.

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That just proves you can't believe all you hear (or you are listening to the wrong people). I have had very light, clear yellows with mottled ears since before 1980 - well before Receiver came on the scene. My dog may have inherited the genes from the same background (he was very linebred Sandylands), but it had nothing to do with the gene for dilute.

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I have just found out that if your male carries it, one of his parents must also carrie it.

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Of course one of his parents carried if it he has it - where else do you think it came from?