4 days later my one pup is still in critical care at the vets, running high temp and depressed.
so far none of the others are showing any sign of sickness, could be the tamiflu or just luck.

Would like some opinions on a dilema, our 6 week old litter has not had any vaccines, they will be 7 weeks this Sunday. One vet at the clinic is highly suggesting to give them the 5 way vaccine to start kick their immune system, that the immunity from mom is gone by now.
The other vet (same office) disagrees and says it will just mess up the natural immunity from mom and could weaken immune system allowing parvo to take over.
What to do!!! Your opinions would be greatly appropriated.

I am going to strongly tell you to call this website and talk to the Dr there.
http://www.neotechvaccines.com/neopar.htm
I have always used the best vacc from the vet and then had parvo hit my place. I found out about this place and overnighted the vacc they carry and will use it forever. It can be safley given at 4 weeks old and fights against the moms imunity's to protect them over it. Most parvo vacc have 100,000 particals to 700,00 and Neopar has over 3,000,000. I have never had another puppy come up with it even with knowing my place has been infected.

Do they have your puppy on antibiotics, an IV and probiotics?

Sorry I did not answer your question. Yes i would give them a shot ASAP. Chance is if they are still nursing they are not infected. If they are then it could make it worse but by doing nothing you could allow them to get infected.

they have her on IV fluids with meds to calm stomach.
Also penicillin SQ. They are also giving her the tamiflu by enema since she still cant hold anything down.
Her temp spiked high 105 for 2 days, they had to use banimine to bring it down. But today it came back down to 103 with out meds.

Can they give her a plasma (or even whole-blood) transfusion from a well-vaccinated adult or one who has had parvo and recovered? She still sounds pretty critical...

I would probably have the vet use one of the vaccines like Neopar or Merial Recombitek which I believe both have literature showing a fantastic immune response in youngsters even a week after given.

Well I know it might sound crazy but I lost mine that was at the vet and spent a lot of money on her. To also say she was my pick I had kept for a show prospect. When the next litterI had started with it, I decided to keep them home with me. Not that I think my vet could not do as good as me. I love my vet. I just thought that it meant more to me emotionally. So that was all I did for the first 5 days. I had them In my laundry room. When someone threw up or had diarrhea I knew when and who. plus I gave them more fluids right then. Plus I think there was something metally about them (3) crawling in my lap at 2 or 4 in the morning while I hooked each one to an IV drip for 10 minutes or so. They would reach up and kiss my chin and I would just cry. Plus I tried giving them everything. They would check out everything I brought to them. The buffet had, yogurt, wet bread, rice chicken, can food, but most of all they liked their hard puppy food with warm water and the purina probiotic packets. They started with just drinking the water but soon started eating the mush.

Yes, you can separate out the parvo and do a single dose vaccine early. Yes, tamiflu is the 'miracle' drug of choice for parvo.
But, the more important question was not answered "When To Vaccinate" so here is the link to Dr. Jean Dodds, DVM protocol. http://www.doglogic.com/vaccineinfo.htm#news Dr Dodds and Dr Schultz are the nations leading experts on the most recent protocol and this comes from the page link ~ "Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide lifetime immunity."

Good Luck with your sick puppy.

I know they say that about not doing it until they are 8 weeks old. i use to stick to that. The litter that i had that came down with it was just at 6 weeks old. So they got it in their 5th week. So that is why i started using the Neopar. It works against the mom's protection but in a good way.

I had a litter get parvo at 7 weeks so they were infected during week 6. So much for Dr. Dodd's protocol in my estimation. I give a high titer plain parvo vaccine at 6 weeks and then start the regular regime at 8 weeks. You would too if you had lost 7 out of eight darlings. And yes, they were under tight veterinary care. I wish your sweet baby all the luck in the world and you too.

Do you give the neopar at 6wks? Do you just use Neopar or do you give it with a 5way? Please explain your protocol.

"Dr Dodds and Dr Schultz are the nations leading experts on the most recent protocol..."

According to whom?

The recent Canine Vaccine Guidelines published by AAHA doesn't even list Dr. Dodds- anywhere- in the references. This protocol was NOT her idea.

I Give the Neopar at 4 weeks. All it covers is Parvo. So at 7 weeks I do the 5 way. So when they go home at 8 weeks they have had 2 sets against Parvo. It is really neat if you call the vet there at Neopar. He is great about talking in full with you. He went over a whole new protocol on everything even deworming and preventing coccidia. If you go to the Neopar website you can read on the first vet their, hewas the one that came up with the origional parvo vaccines. Plus the cost of the Neopar is not much at all. I think it was 28 for a 10 shot vial.

I had a litter get parov from the vets at 4 weeks. We isolated the litter, all 10. We did a blood draw from 2 of my other girls who were recently vaccinalted and fed the plasma to the pups every 4 hours for 4 days and nights. I did loose 2 pups and it was heart breaking.
Best of luck.

I hope your litter pulls through. If possible to get the advice of Dr. Ron Schultz at University Wisconsin...that is who I would trust..he is an expert in the immune system and knows how to handle strangely timed illness and vaccines....pleas try to contact him. Then, no matter what happens with your litter, if you or anyone you know is in the Northeast..the question of this situation should be brought to this seminar...it could be answered accurately. We all could learn what to do. Best wishes for your litter.

http://www.freewebs.com/rcfbenefit2009/theseminar.htm

I appreciate all the answers and my new protocol will be neopar at 6 weeks and 5 way at 8 weeks.

BUT
what to do with the now 7 week old litter that was exposed 5 days ago??
Vaccinate now or not until they are out of the woods?

I would vaccinate now and just keep them not expossed by wear rubber shoes in after you have dipped in bleach water. Washing hands and changing cloths before you go in with them. I had mine in a bigger area but i went as far as not even going in to pick up after them for several days and having their food and water right at the gate. I wanted a few days of bleaching my yard before I walked in there.

I know it sounds crazy but I really would do the Neopar at 4 weeks or at least 5. At 4 weeks you can do the second at 7 weeks and it will have a week in their system if they are going home at 8 weeks. Because Neopar is a Parvo only it is safe to give to them at a younger age. It was made so it could be given to younger pups. You just have to think if a puppy at 6 weeks has Parvo then they got it while at 5 weeks old. So that why I say get it in them at 4 weeks.

tonight one of the pups out of the younger litter is sick, so I guess it does not matter if I vaccinate or not.
The nightmare begins

in response to "Protocol"...Dr Ron Schultz headed the research that dictates the AAHA vaccine guidelines...so he is involved. He & Dr. Dodds are collaborating on the current Rabies Challenge research...so I would have to agree that they are leading specialists in their fields

Been following your saga and so sorry another one is sick. I hope none of the rest get sick and the others all get well quickly. I feel for you for what you are going through. Hope to hear better news tomorrow.

I would agree with Dr. Schultz, specifically, as ONE of the (many) leading experts.

Furthermore, even Dr. Dodds doesn't consider herself a "specialist" since being a "specialist" requires further (board) certification/additional degrees.