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Here
Jan 31, 2013 - 10:00PM
Re: hock - OCD?

Joy
Orthopedic ( vet ) say that OCD is genetic. An injury such as jumping up in the air or jumping down from a truck or suv can set off the OCD . Most athletic dogs jump up and down off of high places, jump up to catch a Frisbee, rip around the yard and never have an injury all through it's life. We've experienced a couple OCD pups over the years. 1 was a pup we bought from another breeder and the other pup was one we bred. I am positive that OCD is not caused by diet. I don't believe that OCD is born from an injury but more that the young dog was born with the disease and rears it's ugly head when the young dog plays like a normal athletic dog should be capable without injuring itself all the time.
I feel the same way about dogs who tear their cruciate and you see it in certain lines. A Labrador should be able to hold up under normal athletic activities that this breed is known for.
AFter working with so many different lines of Labradors and breeding enough litters of different combinations, I've come to the conclusion that Pano also runs in certain lines but some breeders think that feeding certain kibble causes it. That's not been my experience. If a young large breed dog is going to develop pano, it's going to happen but by feeding the young dog a certain type of kibble may slow the young, growing puppy down but Pano will run it's course.


There is recent research by Michigan State University, I think, which says it's related to excessive exercise in pups under 1 year old, wanted to post it, but cannot find it right now. The study also says research findings on it being genetic is inconsistent and hence inconclusive.

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not sure
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:01PM
Re: hock - OCD?

Here


There is recent research by Michigan State University, I think, which says it's related to excessive exercise in pups under 1 year old, wanted to post it, but cannot find it right now. The study also says research findings on it being genetic is inconsistent and hence inconclusive.


I hope you find the article and post a link.

Wasn't it also found that faster growing pups or larger pups are more prone to OCD?

o
Ouch!
Feb 1, 2013 - 9:06AM
Re: hock - OCD?

Saw the ortho vet this morning. He does arthroscopic surgery and is the only one in this area who does. He said as long as she is not limping, he would not recommend surgery. He also said that hock surgery does not produce the great results he gets with elbow surgery. He too thinks it is genetic. I will not be breeding the bitch again. Not worth the risk to me.

w
whoa
Feb 1, 2013 - 1:38PM
Re: hock - OCD?

You won't be breeding your bitch again because one puppy may have OCD in one hock?? wow.... What about the rest of the pups? Sometimes mother nature strikes and things just happen... your pup isn't even lame and IMO it's foolish to throw out the baby with the bathwater- try to look at the big picture. If every breeder threw out a bitch for producing something one time, in one pup, in one litter... well I think our breed would really be in trouble. And yes, I have 25 years plus in the breed, multiple champions & titled dogs and for the most part- sound & healthy ones. If you're in this long enough you will produce one of everything at some point- and that advice came from someone with 50+ years in this.

b
Breeder
Feb 1, 2013 - 2:31PM
Re: hock - OCD?

whoa
You won't be breeding your bitch again because one puppy may have OCD in one hock?? wow.... What about the rest of the pups? Sometimes mother nature strikes and things just happen... your pup isn't even lame and IMO it's foolish to throw out the baby with the bathwater- try to look at the big picture. If every breeder threw out a bitch for producing something one time, in one pup, in one litter... well I think our breed would really be in trouble. And yes, I have 25 years plus in the breed, multiple champions & titled dogs and for the most part- sound & healthy ones. If you're in this long enough you will produce one of everything at some point- and that advice came from someone with 50+ years in this.

Agree! Sometimes things happen and they won't repeat.

o
Ouch!
Feb 1, 2013 - 3:01PM
Re: hock - OCD?

Never said that was all. Littermate has elbow OCD. Too much jumping to conclusions going on.

j
Joy
Feb 1, 2013 - 8:34PM
Re: hock - OCD?

Orthopedic surgeons are finding that if a dog is affected with OCD in both joints, whether that be hocks, shoulders or elbows, that it is genetic.
When my girl produced the one OCD puppy, she had also produced entropian and had a daughter who failed her hips so I decided to cut her free from my breeding program. If I had had no other issues in these lines I used to have, I would have tried to breed her to another stud dog. So to the original poster of OCD, if you have not had any other orthopedic issues in your bitch of the 2 affected OCD pups, it could be that your girl and the stud dog lines did not mesh. You can follow certain lines and see that they clearly produce kids that end up with orthopedic issues being bred to many many bitches. When this happens, you can conclude that OCD is not inconclusive.

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