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another bdr
Jun 20, 2013 - 5:40PM
Re: Yellow bitch with chocolate gene

curious
During a CERF exam my ophthalmologist told me she can tell my girl carries chocolate because the back of her retina reflects red and she showed me. She said this is how they determined the chocolate gene before DNA testing. She's never been wrong on my dogs (proven with DNA).

My girl produces great pigment but some of the puppy noses fade terribly when they mature and some of them hold their pigment (like Forestwood's). I thought the dogs that faded carried chocolate but I see that probably isn't true. It seems impossible then to determine which puppies will hold their pigment later on.

Thanks everyone.
Also, don't be fooled by the rare yellows whose owners tattooed their noses black when they were young. Those tattooed noses never fade.

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No difference
Jun 17, 2013 - 5:53PM
Re: Yellow bitch with chocolate gene

My 11 year old yellow carrying chocolate still has beautiful pigment except in the winter. There is nothing I have ever seen that makes her any different than a Yy. I bred her twice to Yy's, again beautiful pigment in all pups beginning quite young.

To be super safe you might want to breed her to a pure for black stud-dog. In recent years, I try to breed more black than anything but it's become my cup of tea.

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breeDer
Jun 18, 2013 - 8:59AM
Re: Yellow bitch with chocolate gene

Breeding black into the eebb or EEbb chocolates makes the chocolate coats beautiful thick and dark, here anyway. Do others see this?

Nose color can be fading or solid depending on the yellow line the dog has and that can be bred out to dark leather too.

We have done it over the years with leather, eye and coat color.

A yellow eebb should be DNA tested because they can carry more than two copies of the b genes(check with DDC) and can be bred to a pure for yellow or black carrying only yellow or to a black dog carrying only chocolate or a pure for chocolate. The parent can't be shown but are like have two dogs in one that produce beautiful puppies.

Don't throw those genetic wonders out because of nose color!

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me.
Jun 19, 2013 - 8:01AM
Re: Yellow bitch with chocolate gene

breeDer
Breeding black into the eebb or EEbb chocolates makes the chocolate coats beautiful thick and dark, here anyway. Do others see this?
No, this is not fool proof. I have a pure chocolate bitch with a so-so coat (not incorrect, just not THICK like folks want). I used two beautiful boys on her known for coat. One a chocolate and one a BC. I got a better dog with the BC but the lesser of the coats.

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Joy
Jun 21, 2013 - 8:42AM
Re: Yellow bitch with chocolate gene

Next time I take my black girl in to be cerfed, I'll ask the dr if he can tell if my girl carries the yellow gene...save me some bucks on DNA testing

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