I think I know who your talking about and I had a bad experience trying to deal with this breeders staff/office people in the past. Like you, I decided against using any studs from this breeder but reconsidered when my bitch came in early and I didn't have a stud lined up. The last minute service I received was top notch and the semen was the best that was ever sent to me. I've had 2 bad experiences with stud dog owners that didn't know how to collect and properly extend semen. In the end this breeder was very professional and worth the extra $ to finally get some good semen and not miss another breeding. She was timely with communication, shipping and registration, no complaints at all. I think her staff needs straightening out because they are the ones that gave me a bad impression of her kennels.

It's too bad there isn't a place to rate stud dog services based on specific criteria (not based on whether or not your bitch took). You can have the best stud dog in the world but if the breeder isn't capable of getting you good semen your wasting your time and money. My guess is there's a lot of them out there that don't know what their doing and they're charging just as much.

Are people really paying $1200/$1500 for dogs that don't even have a single point and/or title?

I cannot wrap my mind around the thought of Champion dogs (with Champion get) getting equal or lesser stud fees than these young unproven dogs. I can't believe we award this by using them.

I have never agreed with the philosophy of a service equal to a puppy. I have always felt people should get paid for the amount of work they put into something. As a stud dog owner, my job takes no where near the energy and effort it takes to raise a litter of puppies for 8 weeks, interview puppy families, wellness exams, ACVO exams, etc. So in turn, I do not feel I should get the same amount. Just my opinion! Do to the fact all of us don't get the same price for a puppy, I guess it would be smarter to just take a puppy back and re-home it if you want to maximize you stud fee. From a business perspective, that is the smarter thing to do.

In this economy, SPEND YOUR MONEY WISELY!

Rather than air your beefs on a public forum about how other people choose their studs and what they choose to pay to breed for that dog, go back to you own sad little world and find dogs that meet all your criteria and use those. What business is it of yours how others breed or who they breed to or how much they pay for a stud service? We all do what works best for us. If I like a dog and his stud fee is $3000, I'll breed to him and what business is it of yours?

Sounds like you are just mad because someone's stud is being used that you don't approve of. Guess what? They don't need your approval!

Are people really paying $1200/$1500 for dogs that don't even have a single point and/or title?

I cannot wrap my mind around the thought of Champion dogs (with Champion get) getting equal or lesser stud fees than these young unproven dogs. I can't believe we award this by using them.

No one asked for yours or anyone else's approval I can't believe you take offense to the stud-dog fees out there in today's times. If"keep moving, nothing to see here folks" breeders want to discuss it why would you care unless you're 1 of the stud-dog owners that charges $1800 or the $3000 only you brought up.

There's nothing wrong with this discussion. If you don't like it then take your own advice. The OP asked a few questions and was answered. I can't imagine what is wrong with that.

There is a lot more work standing a dog at stud than you would think.

The bitch owner makes 8 to 10 times the money a stud owner gets for there work when they sell the litter.

A stud with a sought after pedigree does a lot to make a litter saleable.Many sell there puppies on the accomplishments of the stud dog or his pedigree.