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Re: 15-20 pups

Yes! I remembers a big discussion about twins and triplets a few years ago on Woodhaven. Very interesting!!

Re: 15-20 pups

Congratulations

I'm sure she knows for sure there were triplets. Do you have to see it yourself to believe it? Others have had them too sometimes knowing for sure also because they were born surgically. All were attached to the same placenta at the time of the C-section. I've only heard of this happening twice before but it does happen lots more. I watched 1 breeder questioned heavily, asked if she had photographs of the common occurrence in nature of identical twinning or triplets. She didn't bring a camera for an emergency C-section with her bitch.

Identical multiples can hold up the rest being born because they're in the same sack.

Congratulations on your puppies Been There 2. I'm sorry about your losses and the Emergency spay. You counted right at around 16-17 skulls. I'm glad your bitch is doing better and hope her and the remaining pups continue to heal, grow and thrive. Thank you for posting the results of your experience. This could happen to anyone.


I also appreciate the poster sharing her experience and I would like to learn from it. I can understand finding multiple puppies in one sac at a c-section but you said "I'm sure she knows for sure there were triplets." How does one know??? Can you explain this to me? Puppies come out one at a time, no? and she said the 5 were whelped "with some time in between". This is an interesting topic but there is very little written about multiples that I can find even in an advanced-repro textbook. I did find that twining in dogs is very rare though, one in a million! and it can only be confirmed with a c-section. Couldn't find anything saying triplets were possible.

What happened to the 5 whelped at home before the c-sec?

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I can't comment on the original poster's experience with twins and or triplets since I was not there, but I think I am probably the person referred to as having had a litter with twins and triplets which was discussed on another forum.

I have seen photographs taken of twin puppies which does show the two umbilical cords coming from the shared placenta. While rare, this can happen.

For my bitch's second litter everything progressed normally and at first everything started fine, but with hard labor, every other puppy came out dead with no placenta. After losing two this way I took the bitch in and another dead puppy was whelped, again with no sack and no placenta.

When the vet performed an emergency C-section, and I was present in the OR, he exclaimed that now he knew what had happened since he began delivering a pair of twins. All the multiples shared a sack and a placenta, but each puppy had its own umbilical cord. Then he announced he was having difficulty with an additional set of twins, until he exclaimed that they were actually triplets!!! The puppies shared one placenta with umbilical cords coming out from the shared placenta. The smallest puppy was one of the triplets. We had no camera, but the vet, myself and four techs were all present during the surgery. We lost three puppies (all were twins) prior to surgery but all the remaining puppies delivered by C-section, including the triplets, survived. The smallest girl, the triplet, was not as developed physically as her littermates, and we were concerned about her skin, ( which was at risk of sloughing off) but she was totally caught up with her siblings by three days of age. Needless to say, she turned out to be a wonderful dog, very smart and totally fearless.

My vet had been in practice for over 40 years, dealing with many breeders of various breeds, and this was his first case of triplets.
I did not breed this bitch again.

Best of luck with your new litter!

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Yes the three pups were attached to one Placentia, the last one was drained and the afterbirth was soft and came out with the dead pup. I lost one tiny yesterday after a battle to live.
I've seen twins but never had the three.

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I had a litter the day before from a different female on the way to the emergency. Those pups were huge and they let me use a room to finish up before taking the two girls home. The puppies born before the c section are healthy and strong and are the same size as the big pups or pretty close to the same today.

Reading your posts you said all would be in the same sack. They all had their own sack and I had to cut the cords on two after pinching it and clamping it to shut of the blood flow. The cords were hanging out of mom until the last pup on the afterbirth came out. He had his own sack but because the afterbirth had started to detach he was dead. I worked on him for a while.

So, what I'm asking are they true triplets? I have never seen two in the same sac.

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I am not a vet, but I have heard that sometimes placentas in close proximity with another placenta may fuse into one . This would explain the separate sacks. In your case, with so many puppies packed into the uterus, it could be likely that some of the placentas did fuse.

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I am not a vet, but I have heard that sometimes placentas in close proximity with another placenta may fuse into one . This would explain the separate sacks. In your case, with so many puppies packed into the uterus, it could be likely that some of the placentas did fuse.


Were there actually 15-20 puppies?

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I am not a vet, but I have heard that sometimes placentas in close proximity with another placenta may fuse into one . This would explain the separate sacks. In your case, with so many puppies packed into the uterus, it could be likely that some of the placentas did fuse.


Were there actually 15-20 puppies?
She said there were 16, she lost 6 and wound up with a C-section anyway. Read up above.

Here ya go:

Been There 2
Well, I took her to emergency because she seemed in distress. They refused to do the c-section. She whelped 5 puppies in distress and was some time in between. The Vet wanted me to wait. She was not doing well and a dead pup was born so I got her to the Vet for emergency. We ended up with elven live pups and a torn uterus and a spay.



Been There 2
We lost a premie today. He was one of two that I am/was bottle feeding. They were half the size of the other pups.

She has ten left and lost six puppies. She and the babies are doing really well for being five days early. The Vet gave me some medicine that she calls Geritol for the old dogs to help build her up from the loss of blood. She does't like it but I can see a marked improvement.

What happened was triplets. Two were born and I had to cut the cords which I am sure killed the third and it was downhill from there.

Who would have known this would happen. Thank you for all of your advice.

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The story is so convoluted it's hard to believe.

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doubt it
The story is so convoluted it's hard to believe.
Another 1? I do believe it and please don't call me the OP, I'm not!