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Just....Oh My.....:(

http://www.pupclassifieds.com/Breeds/Miniature%20Australian%20Labradoodle.htm

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why, why, why???

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i don't get it. why people buy these dogs is beyond me!

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People get these dogs because they like the way they look or because the are low or non shedding and frequently people with allergies to dogs may not be affected by them. Mixed breed dogs have diversification in their gene pool which helps decrease the probability for some diseases and allergies within the dog. Highly intelligent, less shedding, cute and a lower chance for medical problems. It doesn't sound so bad does it?

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"Highly intelligent, less shedding, cute and a lower chance for medical problems. It doesn't sound so bad does it?"

ROFLAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
especially at $2700 a pup!!!!!!!!!

Hyper, itchy , noisy, and about as attractive as a drooly uncombed schnauzer.......

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If people want it and will pay for it I say so be it.

I want a Lab so breed a Lab. If anyone else does somthing differ so be it.

If however my lines get used for such breeding then I have not done my job as a Labrador owner.

Oh well. Here we go again.

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...with bad hips, epilepsy, allergies, heart problems, eye problems...all of the things that we try desperately to eliminate from our breeding programs...they just throw together any poodle & any lab, golden, aussie...you name it without any consideration about how the two lines will mesh...insulting if you ask me! And as mentioned already; for lots of $$$ per puppy.

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Quoted from anonymous "frequently people with allergies to dogs may not be affected by them" ----

SO NOT TRUE! Speak to an allergist - a specialist in human allergies - and hear the truth. If it has skin and saliva, it will produce allergic symptoms in people with the propensity for allergic reactions. People are allergic to the proteins found in the saliva and skin cells of animals -- the coat has nothing to do with it. A person can show symptoms of allergies to one dog and not another IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD - it all depends on if the person's immune system mounts a response to a particular animal's protein "make-up", if you will.

This myth of 'hypo-allergenic' dogs should not be propagated......

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I don't know what ROFLAO means so no response to that.

You don't seem to like schnauzer's and therefore you wouldn't buy one. Do you knock people who do or breed them? Most prices that I have seen for Labradoodles in the USA have been around the same average cost for an English type lab. I have seen Lab prices in the USA for $2700 (even higher).

As far as "hyper, itchy, noisy" goes, perhaps the labradoodles that you have witnessed were bred to an
American type Lab and not an English type Lab or the matings were from BYB's type stock. There are good and bad breeders in every dog breed.

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"ROFLAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
especially at $2700 a pup!!!!!!!!!

Hyper, itchy , noisy, and about as attractive as a drooly uncombed schnauzer....... "

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"There are good and bad breeders in every dog breed."

Exactly. Puppy mill quality with papers!

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"...with bad hips, epilepsy, allergies, heart problems, eye problems...all of the things that we try desperately to eliminate from our breeding programs...they just throw together any poodle & any lab, golden, aussie...you name it without any consideration about how the two lines will mesh...insulting if you ask me! And as mentioned already; for lots of $$$ per puppy. "

A lot of serious breeders of Labradoodles would take that as an insult to them! There are plenty of reputible Lab breeders that dabble in it on the side.
Diversifying the gene pool helps to improve on those types of problems that you have listed.

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sounds like you are an owner of one of these MUTTS is what it sounds like to me.

Talk about ignorance. Hope you're happy creating new and possibly far worse genetic disorders in your mixed breed mutts....

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My old mother wouldn't be able to have any part of a Lab without the doodle cross...the hair is hard for her to clean up and really irritates her allergies when she sweeps... there is a difference in non shedding dogs, she's not allergic to saliva, just the irritants floating around in the air, she got hers from a "show breeder" that bred AND showed both breeds.. she was a very nice person, responsible and CLEAN, all of the dogs looked great and we got the days mixed up and showed up 2 whole days earlier. Anyway, to each their own and peace.

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Quoted from anonymous "frequently people with allergies to dogs may not be affected by them" ----

I'm not saying they are hypo-allergenic, and I agree that no one should say that. I'm saying that many people that have dog allergies MAY not be affected by them. If you sampled the hair and saliva from an entire litter of labradoodle pups you would find that the first generation breeding produces only some dogs that are "hypo-allergic type" and a second breeding to either a lab OR a poodle produces even more. I don't know the percentages and I am not a Labradoodle breeder.

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Oh... just stop your judgemental ways... if everyone stuck to what a Lab should be there wouldn't be a "carpet walker" out there. How many of you really hunt? I mean hunt.

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Labradoodle to Labradoodle is a Labradoodle. If you breed a Labradoodle to a Poodle then the shed factor would again be greatly reduced but then you can get into all that grooming of a Poodle.

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These dogs are mutts. there are other purebreds that are so called hypoallergenic. portugese water dog for example. why would you spend all that money for a mutt. all it does is encourage people to be irresposible breeders by creating a market for these mutts.

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why doesn't anyone put their name on their messages???

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I like schnauzers just fine...A properly groomed one can be vary handsome.
I don't care for "schnoodles", however. They were popular a while back....'nuff said.

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Resounds like you are an owner of one of these MUTTS is what it sounds like to me.

Talk about ignorance. Hope you're happy creating new and possibly far worse genetic disorders in your mixed breed mutts....: JMO"

No JMO..., I do not have a Labradoodle. I sought out information on the web about something I didn't know anything about as my neice got one. I wouldn't, and no one should, post about something that they know nothing about. What good is a shallow opinion? What new and far worse genetic disorders are you talking about?

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My mother wanted a Lab not a Portugese water dog... she just loves her and you couldn't convince her of anything any better. UNTIL you spend some time with one you shouldn't put them down and there will come a day whan AKC cashes in on it.. you watch for it. Heck the King Charles were just recognized.... were they mutts just beacause they weren't AKC?

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What in God's name does hunting have to do with mixed breeds?????????????
How many of those are bred for hunting?????????
Get a grip!

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KC's are purebred dogs, AKC does not set the standard as to what is purebred and what is not by what they accept into their registry.

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Well, lets see. If you knew anyting about either breed you might be able to consider what genetic defects they both have and how breeding them together may conjure up all kinds of problems in that mutt.

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What makes you think the half of the poodle you got is the gene that does not shed. You might have the Lab gene! Its a mutt, and you add the problems of what Goldens have with hearts and Poodles have their share of problems. Its crazy for someone to think anything but a mutt. Why would anyone breed them if not for MONEY ?

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i agree. we had a labradoodle come through lab rescue. the dog ended up having addisons disease.correct me if i am wrong but that is a problem in poodles. i think you are adding all kinds of problems to the mix

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Some neighbors down the street from me HAD a labradoodle. It was one of those "expensive Austrlian bred doodles", as I was told many, many times.
The last time I spoke with them, the dog had to be put down because it attacked the neighbors sheep, then turned on one of my neighbor's kids and bit one of them multiple times.

I was also told by one of the Labradoodle breeder's that I spoke to in the vet's office one day that their dogs/puppies were never effected by the genetic problems that the labs and poodles have since they are outcrosses... Say what??

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Never affected, my BUTT!

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Some neighbors down the street from me HAD a labradoodle. It was one of those "expensive Austrlian bred doodles", as I was told many, many times.
The last time I spoke with them, the dog had to be put down because it attacked the neighbors sheep, then turned on one of my neighbor's kids and bit one of them multiple times.

I was also told by one of the Labradoodle breeder's that I spoke to in the vet's office one day that their dogs/puppies were never effected by the genetic problems that the labs and poodles have since they are outcrosses... Say what??

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I do not believe that a doodle did that... I have been around them and they are just as sweet as can be...was it the rampet Lab? or the evil Poodle in the dog that caused it to "attack" sheep and kids? I challenge you to prove it... find one confirmed attack by a Labradoodle... I could see maybe a Goldendoodle as they have been known to bite.

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Did any one look at the previouse puppy page
"Cassie's summer 2006 litter"
"Cassie's Winter 2006 litter"
"Dancer's Spring 2006 litter
"Danver's Winter 2006 litter"
"Special's Spring 2006 litter"
"Special's Winter 2006 litter"
That is money talking!
I know a groomer who refuses to do labradoodles and goldendoodles because of they sycotic temperments. Her words not mine.

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The groomer doesn't know what she's doing then... and just like any other dog... that is a socialization/desensitation problem, not breed....heck you take a pair of clippers to a dog that has never been clipped or a comercial/hot dryer to a dog that's never heard one and just go at 'em full force they are going to be psychotic...I know!!+...go get a pair of clippers, put your dog in a noose on a table, in a strange environment, and go to town on it... remove the blade though...psychotic?? The groomers can undue even the best desesitized dog if they are not patient. I've seen Labs turn themselves inside out to avoid a simple nail trim or ear cleaning...and I know if you've been around Labs very long you've seen it too. You can't just make stuff up there... what is YOUR experience with a Doodle?? Until you can say FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE....then you should pipe down.

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Did any one look at the previouse puppy page
"Cassie's summer 2006 litter"
"Cassie's Winter 2006 litter"
"Dancer's Spring 2006 litter
"Danver's Winter 2006 litter"
"Special's Spring 2006 litter"
"Special's Winter 2006 litter"
That is money talking!
I know a groomer who refuses to do labradoodles and goldendoodles because of they sycotic temperments. Her words not mine.

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THINK ABOUT IT!! GO BACK AND RE-READ..passing judgement...

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Quoted from: getting in the swing of things

It sounds like the groomer is the psycotic (not sycotic) one. That's like having a bakery and refusing to sell to fatties.

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I can't believe ANY dog lover wouldn't have a problem with the designer pets price tags. I'm a labrador breeder, but a All breed lover for all my life.
I'm sorry, but your ignorant if you think this kind of add is okay


Puppies: Maltese, Yorkiepoos, Chihuahuas, Cocker mixes, Minpin mixes, and other small breeds. Available in 5 weeks we will have Maltipoos, Pekinese, Chihuahuas, Dashunds & Chinese crested. $300 and up.
These people will have ALL THESE DOGS ready in 5 weeks??? WOW...I would think that sounds close to a puppy mill, but no, people want to buy them, so of course as some on here have mentioned,,"If someone wants to buy them" Tsk!! tsk!! is right!!!
Not to many years ago, those would be listed under the "FREE" to good home section. Not now...slap a price tag, and call it special.
New today, I just saw an ad with pics for a "new breed" they are called "Bugs". Boston terriers and Pugs. I've only found one breeder..and I use that term loosely in town, they sell for $500.
So, no one did any research, no one learned, they just took two breeds and made some pups because the name was cute.

Of course, there's always got to be some stupid a$$ who thinks it's all Okay.
Yea, this means you if you all of sudden got defensive

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I just think it's plain disgusting what these people are doing to these poor animals!

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And what do you get when you cross a bull dog with a shih tzu?

Seriously though, I know of several wonderful breeders of many, many years that have labradoodles and do get all clearances and blah, blah, blah. If that's what people choose to breed and buy, that's their choice. Now I also have a question for those in defense of the labradoodles; why would you be opposed to the silver labs then? I feel that's individual choice just as well.

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I may be a little late on this one, but recently saw a Bullador. Not pretty.

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No, I'm not defending the price tags but you are condeming the dog...I don't agree with muliple "designer" breeds either but the Goldendoodle and Labradoodle have been around for over 30 years... there ARE responsible breeders of them out there but to put the whole lot together is a little self righteous don't you think? This is the exact talk that is going to put ALL breeders in the proverbial "cross hairs". All I'm saying is just be careful of what you say and the way you say it. Everyone gets on here and just blah, blah, blah and bash, bash, bash. You are actally putting both the Labrador and Poodle down by some of those comments. Think about it. and both breeds have a lot of similar qualities.

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I can't believe ANY dog lover wouldn't have a problem with the designer pets price tags. I'm a labrador breeder, but a All breed lover for all my life.
I'm sorry, but your ignorant if you think this kind of add is okay


Puppies: Maltese, Yorkiepoos, Chihuahuas, Cocker mixes, Minpin mixes, and other small breeds. Available in 5 weeks we will have Maltipoos, Pekinese, Chihuahuas, Dashunds & Chinese crested. $300 and up.
These people will have ALL THESE DOGS ready in 5 weeks??? WOW...I would think that sounds close to a puppy mill, but no, people want to buy them, so of course as some on here have mentioned,,"If someone wants to buy them" Tsk!! tsk!! is right!!!
Not to many years ago, those would be listed under the "FREE" to good home section. Not now...slap a price tag, and call it special.
New today, I just saw an ad with pics for a "new breed" they are called "Bugs". Boston terriers and Pugs. I've only found one breeder..and I use that term loosely in town, they sell for $500.
So, no one did any research, no one learned, they just took two breeds and made some pups because the name was cute.

Of course, there's always got to be some stupid a$$ who thinks it's all Okay.
Yea, this means you if you all of sudden got defensive

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Don't see how that is putting down the Labrador. what? By admitting it's shortcomings? Yes. Labs have genetic defects. Is this a news flash? Not to Lab breeders it's not.

I'm sure Poodle breeders feel the same.

Crosshairs? I hardly think so.

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Quoted from wondering: "Now I also have a question for those in defense of the labradoodles; why would you be opposed to the silver labs then? "

I would be opposed to a silver lab being registered with AKC as a pure bred Lab if it is proven that it is not. If a silver is not a Lab then it should be called something else. The AKC has the final word, not me. I have no opposition to any harmless animal.

I would think more people would be more upset that labs, American or English, are all called Labs. There is a big difference in the two types and people often buy labradors from the paper thinking they are getting confirmation type labs with the great disposition. I have heard many people who own these kind of dogs say how hard they are to raise and live with. I truely feel sorry for an older person that makes the mistake of getting one of these hard to handle dogs and then falls in love with it and has 12 or so years of a hard life. "Marley and me" a NY Times bestseller is a good example. Some think that they just picked the wrong pup in the litter. I have also read many posts on this forum where people have said they started out with a "field type" lab by "mistake". The AKC should give the two types of labs two totally different names so that people who have a type of dog in mind don't get the wrong one. Buyers need education too. Educating buyers would hurt most of the BYB that I'm personally aware of because they are breeding the "difficult to live with" labs and selling pups with full registrations.

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The ignorance on this forum is unbelievable. It also seems as though the ones with the least knowledge spout off the most.

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You know what ? Go to the mix breed dog forum. I would think the Labradoole doo, breedings have a forum to talk about how they have fooled people. We are trying to keep the wonderful breed Labradors what they are suppose to be. And most here have tons of experience in researching pedigree, type, temperment to keep them to standard. Mixing our breed does not make us a friendly bunch. Sorry.

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I have no problem with people "breeding" or purchasing a labradoodle. However, I do believe in truth in advertising. Anyone doing their homework will learn the following:

1. The Labradoodle will never be recognized by the AKC. Why, because they don't hold "true". You can cross a lab with a poodle and create a labradoodle; however, you cannot breed two labradoodles together and get a labradoodle. You'll get a mixed litter with some looking more like labs and others looking more like poodles.

2. Hypo-allergenic. Yep, that's been covered, no such critter. These breeds don't even lower the possibility of allergies being associated with them.

3. Less possibility of hereditary diseases. HA, now that's a funny one. You see the breeders of quality labradors and poodles are not creating this mix. Therefore, stock is being used that isn't up to par and has not cleared or has never been tested. This is resulting in an increased chance of hereditary diseases.

Know what you pay for. Very few Lab puppiess are sold for $2700 (only those who come from top, top, top dogs and those puppies are usually sold to breeders and fanciers, not companion owners. So if you want to pay $2700 for a mixed breed dog, knock yourself out. However, I would like to meet you because I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida.

Just the facts maam, just the facts.

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What I don't get is why they are priced so rediculously high?
No matter what state they all seem to be outrageous? Why is that?
There is no more cost in breeding two different breeds together than there
is breeding the same breed together, so where is the reasoning for
these guys to put that kind of price on them? It is obvious that they will
never stop breeding all these mixed breed dogs, but I would certainly
love to hear the reasoning for the cost? If it is because people will pay
the price then what does that really say about the ethics of the whole process?

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....and where are the pedigree's on these dogs? I mean I haven't looked
hard at all to see if many have them listed, but if I was
spending that amount of money, I would want to be doing
my own research. Why do these people not provide pedigree's?

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Responding to: "You see the breeders of quality labradors and poodles are not creating this mix. Therefore, stock is being used that isn't up to par and has not cleared or has never been tested. This is resulting in an increased chance of hereditary diseases."

This is NOT true.

Breeding Labradoodles does not hurt anyone. To say such things shows you have an irrational fear. Envious maybe?

Hybrid vigor is a bunch of bull

Hybrid Vigor Explained by Karen Peak


The concept of hybrid vigor assumes that a crossbred animal (and this term is most often used in discussing dogs) will be healthier
than a purebred. In reality, this is often false.

In order to be a hybrid, an animal must be the product of two different species: donkey and a horse, offspring is a mule; lion (m)
and a tiger (f), offspring is a liger; tiger (m) and lion (f), offspring is a tigon; wolf and domestic dog, off-spring is called a wolf
hybrid. Remember high school Biology, animal classification: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species?

Each animal in the crosses mentioned share the same Family (Equus, Felis, Canis) but are different species. The offspring are
hybrids. Domestic dogs are the same species familiaris. When you cross breed domestic dogs (Canis familiaris ), you are within
the same species; therefore, not creating a hybrid.

Hybrids are not problem free. In Ligers, no fertile male has ever been found and necropsies have proven sterility in them. Other
issues in ligers and tigons: ligers may be prone to gigantism and tigons may be prone to dwarfism. Both hybridizations have
shown an increase in cancer rates and decrease in lifespan. (Tiger Territory, M. Annabell, 2001). In wolf/dog hybrids, there are
often behavioral issues. The domestic dog differs greatly in behavior from a wolf. Dogs were bred to be cooperative with humans
while wolves fear humans and try to avoid us.

Even domestic Wolves are far different from dog in terms of behavior. Dogs often accept leadership happily while adult wolves will
fight for leadership within the pack. The wolf/dog hybrid can be a time bomb temperamentally when they hit full maturity. Wolves
also differ from dogs in other ways including: skull structure, nutritional needs, estrus cycles, etc. (Canine Hybrid Issues
Surrounding the Wolf Dog , M. Sloan, J. Moore Porter, 2001)

Returning to the domestic dog: Canis familiaris. A breed is not a separate species, it is just a set of genes specifically bred to
exhibit certain traits like the coat an Old English Sheepdog has or the build of a Rottweiler. With C. Familiaris, we just took traits
in.

An example that may clarify this: all humans are Homo sapiens regardless of color, eye shape, etc. Nature helped develop certain
traits to best suit the environment the H. sapiens were developing in. All domestic dogs are C. Familiaris; we just developed them
into different breeds.

Species is the same but there are differences based on need.

What determines a breed in the loosest sense is that when bred to another of the same breed, you will end up with the same traits.
When you breed a German Shepherd Dog to another GSD, you only get GSDs. You will not get something that looks like a
Labrador Retriever. If you cross a GSD and a Lab, you can get offspring that look more GSD, more Lab or resemble both parents
in varying ways. With purebreds you have a predictable outcome.

With crosses, you do not.

It takes many generations to fix the traits in a new breed – not just four or five. For example, the Shetland Sheepdog, a breed from
the Shetland Isles is NOT a miniaturized Collie. But the Sheltie is a breed that is only about 100 years old – relatively new. Collie
was crossed into the early Sheltie to add to certain traits, but this also added the problem of oversized Shelties – something
breeders have struggled with for many decades to correct due to the infusion of Collie blood into a developing breed.

Crossbred dogs such as the Cock-a-poo are NOT hybrids nor are they breeds. The Cock-a-poo Club of America states in its
guidelines that in order to be a cock-a-poo, that you breed Cocker (American or English) to a Toy or Miniature Poodle. This is not
a breed; it is a cross – a mutt. Cock-a-poos may look very Poodle, very Cocker or somewhere in between.
Even a Cock-a-poo bred to a Cock-a-poo is not a breed. Remember, it can take decades or more to get true-breeding traits – or
to repair damage done when something else is crossed in during the early history of a breed just beginning to come together.

There is research that states the domestication of what we know today as a dog may have started longer ago that assumed –
maybe as much as 100,000 years ago based on mitochondrial DNA studies of wolves and dogs. (The Truth About Dogs, S.
Budiansky, 1999) No one really knows for certain when wild canines began domesticating themselves or we began domesticating
them.

Therefore, the creation of specific breeds is relatively new in the grand scheme of the history of the domestic dog. Bones of truly
domesticated dogs were found dating back to as early as 5,000 BC. Ancient pictures show dogs that were of definite sight hound
type. (Dogs of Ancient Egypt, J. Dunn).


Back to Hybrid Vigor: is it true? No. Returning to the cock-a-poo example. Poodles and Cockers have many of the same
health problems; therefore, a cross of them might actually stand a higher risk of inheriting a problem than a purebred pup from a
good breeder.

Some of the problems in both breeds are: hip dysplasia, progressive retinal atrophy, epilepsy, poor temperaments, allergies, skin
and ear problem, Legg-Calve-Perthe's, luxating patellas, hypothyroidism, cryptorchidism, gastric torsion ( Cock-a-poos, Cindy
Tittle Moore, 1997). Yes, things like ear infections, allergies, temperaments and gastric torsion have hereditary as well as
environmental influences.

Now, why did I state a cross might stand a higher risk of a hereditary problem than a dog from a good breeder? Rarely
do people breeding crosses do any health tests – genetic or otherwise. They assume that an annual veterinarian visit and shots are
all that is needed. Maybe for a pet dog, but breeders need to consider the genetic health of puppies produced.

Things such as Hip and Elbow Dysplasia, Luxating Patellas, various eye problems, von Willebrand's (a bleeding disorder) and
Thyroid function are common in many, many breeds and crosses.

The myth that purebreds are unhealthy or nasty came about due to bad breeders who either did not care about health testing or
who were ignorant and felt that dogs who show no outward signs of a problem do not have it.

A purebred dog from a good and educated source has a greater chance of being healthier than a crossbred.


So, the next time you hear about hybrid vigor and how mutts are healthier, remember this: hybrid vigor as related to dogs is a
myth.

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thankyou for all the info. i have heard that term hybrid vigor. i always thought it was a bunch of bull

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Advantages and Drawbacks

"The mature appearance and behavior of purebred puppies is more predictable than that of mixed breeds, including cross-breeds. With purebred dogs, the genetic variations are well documented and a breeder has a fair estimation of what type of offspring a given pair will produce. Still, there is variation within breeds; for example, two champion sheep-herding Border Collies might produce offspring with no interest in sheep herding.

Overall, mixed breed dogs tend to be healthier. They have more genetic variations than purebred dogs. Often, breeds can be associated with specific health problems. Breeding dogs who are prone to similar health problems greatly increases the chance of health problems in the offspring. By breeding dogs who are prone to different problems, the chances are lowered of serious health problems. Genetic variety increases health.

Mixed breed dogs are said to be, on average, no more intelligent than purebred dogs, and both sets feature both slow learners and dogs with high learning capacity. For example, Benji, the hero in a series of films named for him, was a mixed-breed terrier. However, it is more difficult to predict the trainability of mixed-breed dogs when they are very young. This is controversial, since there's a difference between intelligence and plain subservience. Most Golden Retrievers are eager to please, but a mix of a Golden with the independent Siberian Husky could inherit either dog's trainability—or could result in a dog with the endurance and athleticism of the Siberian and the trainability of the Golden.


Two mixed breed dogs from Central AmericaMany people enjoy owning mixed breeds, valuing their unique appearance and characteristics; while dogs of some breeds, such as the Tervueren, exhibit little variability of appearance, mixed-breed dogs exhibit often unique appearances. Although some dog owners have a specific breed of dog they wish to acquire, and will never accept a mixed-breed, many others enjoy mixed-breed dogs that exhibit characteristics similar to their favorite breeds; in fact, with a mixed-breed, they can enjoy some aspects of appearance and personality of two favorite breeds with a single dog.

There is usually an abundant supply of mixed-breed dogs wanting owners, available at negligible prices, while pedigreed dogs can cost hundreds or thousands of dollars and reputable breeders can be hard to find.

Some owners value a dog's pedigree as a status symbol and, therefore, have no use for mixed-breed dogs, whose market value is effectively zero; others particularly appreciate the physical or behavioral traits of certain breeds; still others ignore pedigree and, instead, value a dog's personality and health. In short, most dog owners believe that their dog's breed—and specifically his or her own dog—is the best sort of dog there is.

Local animal shelters adopt out dogs of both pure and mixed ancestry, emphasizing each dog's personality and suitability as a companion for each potential owner's lifestyle rather than the purity of each dog's ancestry."

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we all know that wikipedia is the authority.
I would hate to think that readers are going to start thinking that the "breeders" who post on this forum think that labradoodles are just nifty.

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Who decides on the "names" of these mixed breeds anyway?!? How come Cock-A-Poo wasn't made Cock-A-Doodle? How come Labradoodle isn't Labrapoo? It is purely a marketing ploy to make more $$$ off of an unsuspecting public. Poodles, Labradors and Goldens SHARE so many genetic problems...just randomly throwing the unknown lines together is a recipe for the emergence of major health/temperament problems. If you think is is a varying of the gene pool you are in denial.

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Labradoodles have been around since the 50's, don't assume that all breeders of mixed breed dogs are BYB's.

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If you asked most respectable poodle breeders, they would feel the same way. VERY protective of their breed. My great Aunt Doris was the breeder of the top producing Standard of all time. She's not thrilled either.

But you know, the of the world is, If it feels good do it!!!

As for $2700 Sorry, I'm not paying that for a labrador or a mutt!!!!
I think the price of vaccinations and spay/neuter certificate should about cover the cost of a Bug(boston terrier/Pug)!!!

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If you take one breed with a propensity toward hip dysplasia and you mix it with another breed with a propensity toward hip dysplasia, you don't make a healthier dog!
Claiming that mixed breeds are healthier because of genetic variation is a false assumption. The dog can be prone to any one of a number of hereditary illnesses from any of the composite breeds. Haven't you known anyone with a mixed breed dog with hereditary defects? My brother had a mutt with hip dysplasia. From appearance, he seemed to have some lab and some Australian Shepherd in him. My sister had a mutt puppy from a shelter with serious aggression issues from the time it was just 3 months old. And he had allergies like you wouldn't believe. We thought he had some Springer and some Beagle in him. Bottom line, mixing does NOT make a dog healthier by virtue of just mixing. It's perfect nonsense to say that it does.
Somebody missed the day when they taught "logic" in school.