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I have been online reading up on OCD. It seems some say OCD is not hereditary, while others say it is. For certain, I have not found anything definitive.

What I am wondering is this, has anyone bred dogs with OCD and what have those dogs produced?

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I bred a bitch with OCD in one shoulder. She had two litters and never produced it. I should also say that she was the only one in her litter that had it.

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I've always heard that it is hereditary, also that sometimes "the bad stuff" skips a generation.

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It can be either/or, from what I have read and researched. Stuff happens, despite best efforts. I had one girl who had OCD in the shoulder and stifle (opposite sides of the body, fwiw). She was a pet, never bred. She also had a luxated patella, and ccl surgeries in both knees. To my knowledge, she was the only one in the litter that had all of these issues...she was the lucky recipient, I guess. She lived to be 14. I do admit I probably kept her too heavy too young. Overcompensation, I am sure, exacerbated the other injuries and surgeries.

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Nope, it didn't skip a generation as I have bred her daughters and their daughters and have never had another problem. Injuries DO happen to joints, just like they do with people.

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That is a hard one to answer, I have run two pups on in a litter, they have been fed the same, never allowed to rough play with each other. One has excellent elbows the other failed( badly) both parents are excellent. I have come to the conclusion that it is inherited, I am sick to death of breeders who think the dog needs to be wraped up in cotten wool until they are 15 months old, yes don't have them overweight or take them jogging with you at the age of 4 months, BUT this is a sporting breed and most hunters I know have their puppies out with them at a young age. I have two pups here at the moment, 6 and 7 months old , they have been together since they where 9/10 weeks old, they are out and about with me on the farm and they show no signs of any OCD, yet I have just left them to be pups, I am way past the softly softly touch, if they can't stand up to NORMAL dog behaviour then they will be no use to me. These are all show lines so no field lines at all. On a different note, I have bred from a dog with OCD, his daughter grand daughter and great grand son are all excellent, some times I think it is just the luck ( or not) of the draw.

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In most breeds that I am aware of, OCD is considered to have a genetic predispostion, though it can also have environmental and nutritional factors as well. Coming from Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs, where we have some very prevalent orthopedic issues, OCD is considered the least of all evils as it is usually easily fixed and does not cause long term quality of life issues. But dogs with OCD are not bred, at least by most. There are families where OCD is more prevalent than in other families.
Julia

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Our board certified orthopedic specialist says OCD of the hock is inheritable, everything else is just bad luck of the draw.

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Is that what most orthopedic vates think. I tend to think the majority of shoulder OCD comes from some type of injury.

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There is no concensus and that is why I asked the original question.

----has anyone bred dogs with OCD and what have those dogs produced?----

Two people did respond to the question.

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I am not sure there is a definitive answer about the genetics regarding OCD. I guess my thoughts and my experience is that it does have a genetic component, so I err of the side of caution and would not breed an affected dog. While it is not life threatening and once fixed , it does not alter the quality of life, it does change ones future showing and breeding plans should the dog develop OCD. And it is not inexpensive to surgically fix and has an extended recovery time. So I would rather reduce the risk of producing it as much as possible. I guess the only way I personally would consider breeding an affected dog or bitch is if they were truly an outstanding example of the breed and had much to offer that could not be found elsewhere.
Just my own opinion.
Julia

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I absolutely disagree that it doesn't alter the quality of life. My boy has OCD of the hocks. His lesions are too small for surgery, but by age 3, he already had some arthritic changes. I have to be careful with his level of exercise - too much and he hurts, but definitely enough to keep him in shape. This is hard when you have a boy that lives to retrieve above all else :)

And I did neuter him. I'm not willing to risk passing this onto future generations.

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Leslie,
I am sorry about your boy. I failed to say OCD in the shoulder which is usually easily fixed surgically. Other areas are not as easily fixed. I know of many dogs, mine included that had surgery to fix their shoulder(s) and went on to live long and very active lives without any problems. There are always exceptions and it is terrible when that exception is on your sofa.
Also to the orginal poster, about 20-25 yrs ago, early in the American history of Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs, a breeder did have a bitch with shoulder OCD and she bred her one time. She produced 3 puppies who were outstanding. None of the 3 developed OCD and had very successful show careers. Each was also bred and each produced a higher than what could be considered average number of offspring who DID develop shoulder OCD.
Again this is my personal knowledge and experience and it does involve a breed other than Labradors. I am just starting in Labs and have much to learn.
Julia