I just had 2 youngsters related cerf'd
They are under 6 mos. 1 passed but the other
who mister wiggle worm. Not sure how the dr. could even say what he said he saw.But this pup just wouldn't stay put.But anyway he mentioned retinal folds. He Said with a lab having this type of dysplasia
he would not pass the dog. So what are we looking at with this.?New one to me. Basically they must be genectic. ?He said he had a few of these blind spots.
Both parents and grand parents we have.And both were cerf'd at 6 mos.And none of them had this.They pass yrly.
He mentioned it comes from the parents. How could it if they always passed there cerfs with nothing showing by the ages of 6 mos.
So will this pup eventually go blind. Help me out here.

He did mention that they don't show up if dogs are cerf'd at 1 yr,or older only in puppies.

I Just did a search in the archives about this subject. And pretty well got my answere.

Always get a second opinion with a questionable diagnosis....go to someone who will take the time to explain his findings and advise you.

oh I plan to. A show I realize isn't the best place to do a cerf on a young dog , who other wise is a new place to it.And I will go to a eye specialist. who we can take the time to really look into those eyes.
I just find it odd he said this is the result of the parents. Well how can it be when they were cerf'd at 6 mos and past with flying colors and at there mid life in years with no eye problems to date. He told me all labs he has found. That dogs with folds will go blind 4-7 yrs. I plan on getting a 2nd opinion.
Thanks.

Umm, no, dogs with folds don't go blind at 4-7 years of age. That would be PRA that causes blindness at that age range. Either you didn't understand the vet, or he doesn't know what he was looking at!

Here is some info that might help explain retial folds.

http://www.vmdb.org/dx.html

MK

You should always have an acvo vet check the entire litter at about 8 weeks of age...routine rechecks after that.

yep my husband and I both were listening very closely .And I asked him if he was talking about Pra or folds for the dog to go blind in 4-7 yrs he said These are folds we are not talking about pra. His exact words. And then he said YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. DO NOT BREED THIS DOG. I said look we don't just breed.The dog has to get proven and jump through hoops before we consider that. god the pup was only 3 1/2 mos jeeezzzzzz I did say if this is from the parents of this dog. Then they should of gone blind by now or getting pretty close.

Most likely the vet implicated your dam and sire because both carry the recessive gene that causes folds. They don't have to have folds themselves to produce them.

Barb

Well that like everything else that crops up. rears it's ugly head ever so often. his brothers have been cerf'd and also a sister from another litter out of this pups sire. all passed with no folds or anything else. So I will take him to my otho I prefer to use.And hope for the best.

Folds can disappear if you don't check for them at 8 weeks. You might never know they were there if your other dogs were not checked at that age.

Place the pup, not worth the risk. Have any of the littermates been tested?

sorry wrong thread, though i still question if the dog should be bred... I get a retest if he was a wiggly worm.

you have upto four months for the folds to hide and go away. I have had my dogs cleared upto 7months, sometimes they re appear again, even if it didnt show up at 8 weeks. I would get a second opinion

retinal folds are a form of RD.

Read the 2nd opinion thread!

If they are deep enough, folds can cause blindness from cutting off the blood supply to the retina and it doesn't happen overnight. Folds can also cause retina detachment. A simple single fold usually does not obstruct vision and won't get worse. But folds don't go away. The eye pigments over them and they can't been seen which is why an older dog with folds can CERF.

Someone on another thread said a puppy from a sire and dam that were cleared at 7 weeks was diagnosed with RD w/skeletal deformities. I asked my ACVO vet about that since I've done puppy eye exams for four generations now and wondered if I was wasting my money. Folds should have been seen on the sire and dam and he believes they were missed. He also said two ACVOs can look in an eye and see different things. It is experience and interpretation.

In a way folds are like Optigen if we assume a fold is a visible sign of carrier status. If the carrier is bred to a dog that was cleared at 7 weeks, the pair should not produce blindness. A simple fold could be produced, but not multiple geographic folds, detached retinas or dwarfism.