Labrador Retriever Forum
IF you DO want to breed , Penn Hip 70% ( I am reading it as the Dam has the .65) is breedable. I would WAIT for the OFA determination , and then take into consideration the rest of the package, clearances,type, temperament, then do you say yea or nay.
If it is the breeding contract , and you don't want to breed, take it as a valuable lesson on what you buy into......
No, the OP meant the bitch herself has DI over 0.65, NOT 70th percentile. This is one of the problems with PennHIP, imho, the nomenclature can be confusing for people not used to it - the percentage and the DI are opposite each other - high percentage is good, high DI is bad!
This is correct. My girl, not the dam, has DIs over .65
I guess everything you write is taken literally here. All I was trying to get across is that if you have a once in a lifetime dog, maybe it would be worth thinking about - breeding with poor orth. in hips - one litter and run on a few and see if there is something to move forward with. I would not use bad elbows, though.
Please say what kennel name you breed under. I am going to be looking for a new puppy and I need to know who not to go to.
I am biased and think she is beautiful, but I am not naive enough to think she is "once in a lifetime". Besides, with DI scores that high, aren't I putting my girl in risk during pregnancy? How I understand DI, is that less than 35% of her hip is in the hip socket. Then I am going to put her in a situation where her hips are going to loosen further, just so I can see what happens? That seems a rather selfish thing to do.
Please say what kennel name you breed under. I am going to be looking for a new puppy and I need to know who not to go to.
I am biased and think she is beautiful, but I am not naive enough to think she is "once in a lifetime". Besides, with DI scores that high, aren't I putting my girl in risk during pregnancy? How I understand DI, is that less than 35% of her hip is in the hip socket. Then I am going to put her in a situation where her hips are going to loosen further, just so I can see what happens? That seems a rather selfish thing to do.
You've gotten some good, and bad, advice here. I would not breed on no clearances, especially given the situation with close relatives. I would pray that her breeder and co-owner didn't intend for her to be bred to fulfill an agreement unless she passed. If so, then you probably know where not to go for a replacement puppy. If you love this bitch with all your heart, and can't bear to place her, then by all means keep her as your beloved pet, but look elsewhere for another breeding bitch. It's really a simple - not easy - decision if you can bear to take your heart out of the process.
Ok , thanks for the clarification on the DI
Please do some research and read up on what PennHip is.....and trying not being mean, but I think you need to educate yourself across the board on clearances and breeding, BEFORE even thinking about breeding.
Your bitch would be in no danger because of her PennHip score.......
I am not sure what you mean. The bitch's DI would probably put her in the 20th percentile, which is not good. Having a litter might not put the bitch in danger. But since she has poor PennHIP scores and will not pass OFA, OP would risk having her produce puppies with poor hips.
The OP said
"Besides, with DI scores that high, aren't I putting my girl in risk during pregnancy? How I understand DI, is that less than 35% of her hip is in the hip socket. Then I am going to put her in a situation where her hips are going to loosen further, just so I can see what happens? "
That is what I was referring to, I agree with the offspring being at risk
Please do some research and read up on what PennHip is.....and trying not being mean, but I think you need to educate yourself across the board on clearances and breeding, BEFORE even thinking about breeding.
Your bitch would be in no danger because of her PennHip score.......
My vet disagrees and in fact, has a publication recommending that any breeding stock, whether to be OFA certified or not, should have hip x-rays prior to breeding because pregnancy and delivery do put additional stress on hips.
If you read my response, I said that it would be something to think about. In the OP circumstance, I would not breed the bitch, that was not what I was saying. I, myself, have never bred anything less than fair and almost 100% of my pairings have been OFA good or better. I guess there is just no room for discussion here without someone getting their hackles up.
Yep, that's about it...
It is my understanding that the bitch has DI of over .65 and someone said that would probably place her in the 20%. I also understand that none of her x-rays were sent to OFA?
If thats the case send in the x-rays. I had a bitch placed 30% so high DI scores, but she OFA'd good. Now there is a dileama of what to do.
It looks as though the general consensus on this particular thread is that the OP's bitch should not be bred.
But it concerns me that several posts, such as the most recent, advise to try different methods of getting around what is already known which is that the bitch has questionable hips and hip lines??
I find that irresponsible at best, deceitful for sure!! In my opinion, that puts those that do such things right down there in the barrel with back yard breeders!!
Either we are going to use the tools that are available to us right now to breed strong, healthy dogs or we aren't. The same people who advertise their OFA certifications shouldn't then twist and turn those certifications when things don't go their way.
I understand that things happen, even between good hip lines but if we know what we know about a particular dog then why go looking for trouble?? And don't forget, we breeders aren't the ones watching beloved pets suffer from poor hips. It's the families we entrusted our puppies to who go through the heartache and financial setback. Not to mention what we may have put a dog through!!
This is not directed at the OP and it is just my opinion.
She did not pass OFA's DON'T BREED HER. She can't be that perfect that you would put pups who could have a problem the rest of their life in familys hands. Let the breeder breed something else. There are a ton of pups out there. Try again.
But it concerns me that several posts, such as the most recent, advise to try different methods of getting around what is already known which is that the bitch has questionable hips and hip lines??
I find that irresponsible at best, deceitful for sure!! In my opinion, that puts those that do such things right down there in the barrel with back yard breeders!!
Either we are going to use the tools that are available to us right now to breed strong, healthy dogs or we aren't. The same people who advertise their OFA certifications shouldn't then twist and turn those certifications when things don't go their way.
I understand that things happen, even between good hip lines but if we know what we know about a particular dog then why go looking for trouble?? And don't forget, we breeders aren't the ones watching beloved pets suffer from poor hips. It's the families we entrusted our puppies to who go through the heartache and financial setback. Not to mention what we may have put a dog through!!
This is not directed at the OP and it is just my opinion.
I agree. This bitch will not be bred.
I did not and do not sanction breeding her. I just wanted to point out that the 2 do not agree. In the bitch that i mentioned She OFA'd good and everyone here would have bred her based on her OFA results. Then the Penn Hip results came in........
