That is a great idea to charge up front and refund all but the service fee!! That way everyone wins. Thanks for sharing!!

Do I understand you correctly......you will only pay $400-500 for stud service?

I charge $900.00 stud fee for my boys. This is the same for all of them. Whether they are the new kid on the block just having their first litters or the boy that has proven offspring winning in the ring. Like another mentioned, if I know someone or have worked with them before I offer the service fee. If I don't know them, I like to get the full fee upfront.

No, I said I won't regularly pay that, BUT I did once for this particular boy I really love and it paid off. I got an awesome litter.

You may want to be more picky about the bitch owners you let breed to your boys.

I might agree to the service fee if no litter is produced. The way I would agree is if the total fee was paid upfront and a portion returned if no litter was produced.

Seems fair to me.

So I am reading all of this and it is sad to see such overal mistrust in the Labrador Community. When I stood a dog at Stud, I never had a problem with follow through on the Bitch owners' part. Of course he was never up for "Public Stud". I approved the bitch and the owners prior to agreeing to the breeding. If I did not "feel" this breeding was in the best interest of my boy or the breed I declined the request. If I didn't feel right about the Bitch owner I declined their request. I charged a small service fee up front for my time and care while the Bitch was at my home or if I traveled to the bitch for an AI(which I almost prefered). But when I did ship semen on the few occasions I did not charge a stud fee till puppies were produced. Heck it didn't take much effort to collect, extend, and prep the package for shipment. As far as I was concerned a Stud Fee was qualified only once puppies were produced. I guaranteed 3 live pups. 1 for you, 1 to cover your expense, and lastly 1 to cover the stud fee.
Maybe because I was a bitch owner first and my dogs are my pets first I wasn't caught up on the $$$. Sometimes the Stud fees came in fast an other time when a bitch owner had a Financial hardship it trickled in through a payment plan. In the end the money I spent on my boy for his clearances shows etc. were my choice and if I never made it back it was already money well spent. It was an honor when a breeder chose my boy to sire their litter.

I charge a $200 fee up front which does not include shipping or boxes but does include 2 collections by a repro vet (not me) experienced in collections. It also includes semen analysis prior to shipment and a 2nd analysis of some of the extended semen the next day to compare to the semen that arrived at the shipping destination. Once 2 live puppies are born, an additional $800 is due.

I will not allow my boys to be bred to bitches that do not meet my minimum requirements or who have owners I am unsure of. This may not always work but it has so far.

As far as what a dog produces is concerned, as a bitch owner, yes, I would pay more for a dog that has truly produced well with a number of different pedigrees, but the offspring are the result of both parents, whether they are all pet quality or fabulous. The stud dog deserves neither all of the blame NOR all of the credit for the offspring. It is up to the bitch owner to know how to put together a breeding and for a stud dog owner to honestly answer any questions they may have.

So, you either win or you either win. All losses are on the bitch owner???

You want to clarify that???? You mean I can breed my dog to any random dog and give them a pedigree of the CH dog I WANT my litter to be registered to and AKC will do it??? WOW!!!

Yep, you'll be waiting until the cows come home to get your refund.

Maybe if YOU are the stud owner, but not with me. My reputation is on the line. What you wrote makes me think you are probably the one who sells all the puppies and pays all the other bills before paying the stud fee, if you pay it at all. The stud owner has no leverage and no way to recover the fee unless it is collected up front.

I don't get it. The bitch owner can't register the litter if you don't sign/approve the litter, so how come that you are getting ripped off in this matter. Can't you wait a few weeks for your money? Then fine charge a full fee upfront. End of the story.

Wrong. The AKC will NOT register the litter without the stud owner, period. Have you ever done this before??? It appears that you haven't since you don't know what your talking about. Why are you posting this garbage?

You go ahead and charge the entire fee up front, I won't be using your dogs and I'm sure there are other breeders that feel the same way. As the stud dog owner you have control by not registering the litter. There is NO way a breeder can register a litter without the stud dog owners cooperation. This isn't that hard to understand. If a breeder sends you all the money up front and misses there is no recourse for the breeder except in a court of law. If you as the stud dog owner don't get the balance of your fee your recourse is to not register the litter.

If you believe only a correct pedigree is necessary to register a litter then I'm sure you don't know how to collect and extend semen correctly. And your not sure if DNA is required? As a stud dog owner it's your job to know! NO thanks, I won't be using your dogs, I'll save my time and money.

Respect goes both ways between the stud dog owner and the bitch owner, treat people the way you want to be treated.

I just got caught with my girl ovulating on day 8 of her cycle, I hadn't even given the stud owner my Fed Ex number, sent my boxes to her, paid for extender, or paid for the stud fee, (service fee or otherwise) yet. I was away from home for the day when I found out what the progesterone result was, fully expecting a baseline reading. I called her and she went out of her way to accommodate me, shipped semen by the skin of her teeth, 15 minutes before the Saturday Fed Ex cut off, using her own Fed Ex number, shipping supplies, with no money from me. I just met her for the first time at Potomac last week. Not all stud dog owners are difficult to work with!!
Needless to say, her check went out in the mail first thing this morning!

That's wonderful! I had a similar experience and I was so grateful because prior to our phone conversation we didn't know each other. It's nice to know there ARE some decent people around, those that can trust and those that have gratitude and follow through. Good luck, I hope she takes!!!

Thank you 'me too' as you're absolutely correct!

This person can't be an ethical breeder if she's a breeder at all. Maybe a BYB? First sign was she's Not sure if AKC requires DNA for a stud dog.

I don't own any boys, all bitches and I recall the DNA rule by the 3rd breeding many years ago. At least 15 years back if not longer.Friends of mine who owned a stud dog or multiple boys were busy sending in DNA for their boys that would be used to sire litters if they hadn't already.

So Another breeder, learn the AKC rules or don't quote them.

Breeders, get a clue, if a stud dog owner isn't familiar with the process of registering a litter don't use them, they probably aren't capable of getting your bitch pregnant. Make sure you are in agreement to the terms and get it in writing, both parties MUST sign. If you pay the entire fee upfront and expect a refund with a miss your only recourse is in a court of law if the stud owner decides to not refund your money. Stud dog owners have a right to withhold litter registration if you don't pay your balance once your litter is born. Stick to your contract! If you don't have the entire stud fee before breeding don't enter into a contract.

Know you think you know it all but you don't.
It's right in the rule book and I have known other breeders who had to do it because of stud dog owner who thought she could get someone back for a personal vendetta by refusing to sign off on a litter.
Nope. If stud dog owner doesn't do it, akc will. Rest assured.
Also know of an unethical bitch owner who thought she didn't need to pay. Well she got her litter registered too.
Look it up.
Akc will not withhold registration unless there is a question on parentage and then only DNA is required to prove it.

How do you look up hearsay? Maybe you can provide a link.

Here is what the AKC has to say about stud contracts:

"The American Kennel Club takes the position that the owner of the sire is required to sign an application to register a litter certifying only to the fact that a particular dam was bred to the sire identified on the Litter Registration Application form on a specified date of mating, unless there is an agreement signed by all parties concerned in which it is specifically set forth that the owner of the sire is not obligated to sign an American Kennel Club Litter Registration Application form until such time as the stud fee has been paid."

Where did she get the shipping boxes and extender she had on hand? Maybe it doesn't even belong to her.

This is specifically directed at ME TOO. Your are incorrect in your rather impolite post about what the AKC will or will not do with regard to registering a litter. Yes, they will register a litter, regardless if the stud fee has been paid or not. Outstanding monetary disputes are not their business and they will tell you this up front. They want litters to be registered so please don't continue to post this erroneous information about AKC not registering a litter unless the stud dog owner signs off. It is you that is incorrect and yes, I do know who to collect and ship out semen and am aware that DNA testing needs to be done on stud that have produced three litters in one year or seven in their lifetime.

I can not believe you're hmmmmmmming about a kind stud dog owner who got the much needed shipment on its way for the bitch owner in a pinch! Maybe you wouldn't go out f your way for a fellow breeder but I've had boxes lent to me and returned them promptly.

You're a jack blank who needs to learn manners and that others do extend kindness.

Why would you think that?
She has a few stud dogs, and has her own boxes, and extender on hand thankyouverymuch. She asked me ahead of time if I wanted to borrow her boxes or send her my own, I wanted to use my own so I wouldn't have to worry about returning hers, not that I owe you any explanation.
Please don't make a kind and generous act out to be something vile or malicious.

Sure thing I think that any stud dog owner would jump on shipping to get a $1,000.00 for 45 minutes of work. Not so much kindness as it is for profit.

this is directed at the post,
"1000.00 for 45 min of work "
then keep your own stud dogs and use them, there is alot more that goes into housing a "stud dog" promoting him , having him out and seen .
it is alot of work behind the scenes, having had a well used male years ago , and ive got to the point , i keep for my use only .

Sure thing I think that any stud dog owner would jump on shipping to get a $1,000.00 for 45 minutes of work. Not so much kindness as it is for profit.

You are just bound and determined to make this into a bad thing.

I am sorry that you cup is half empty, mine is half full! I cant wait for my beautiful puppies!

No, YOU are wrong. You have no clue and you are posting garbage.

Here is an e-mail response from the AKC:

You will have to send in the litter application all filled out minus the Sire owners signature with a letter to the following department.


American Kennel Club
Customer Registration Support
PO Box 900066
Raleigh, NC 27675
Fax - 919-816-4250


Please be sure you sign your letter of complaint.


Mary
AKC Customer Service Representative
http://www.akc.org/
919-233-9767

If your going to write up a contract it's imperative that you know the rules, obviously you do not!!!

AKC Procedures for Registration Matters, page 8.

Here is a link: http://images.akc.org/pdf/rulebooks/RREGS2.pdf

Here is the text:

"The American Kennel Club takes the position that the owner of the sire is required to sign an application to register a litter certifying only to the fact that a particular dam was bred to the sire identified on the Litter Registration Application form on a specified date of mating, unless there is an agreement signed by all parties concerned in which it is specifically set forth that the owner of the sire is not obligated to sign an American Kennel Club Litter Registration Application form until such time as the stud fee has been paid."

If you can't comprehend what's printed in the rulebook get help in doing so or lay off the sauce. Stop putting fear in stud dog owners, they do have recourse if a breeder doesn't pay up. If you don't have a contract that covers your concerns, well that's your fault.

45 minutes of work? I think not. Showing, finishing, expenses, food, time and alot more.

The breeder who got that chilled semen collected & shipped that quickly did not do it just for a stud fee. She did it to give the bitch owner every chance to have a litter in my humble opinion. That was what some use to call a Chinese fire drill in jest. (no Asian pokes of fun!). It means to rush around or have all switch seats in a vehicle and it's a joking term but no fun for the stud dog owner. They stop their own lives to get that shipment out. Just because some breeders brag about how fast they can collect their many boys doesn't mean most can't do the same. I've watched probably over 50 collections and never saw one take long esp with a teaser bitch around but not necessary with a seasoned stud dog.

Kudos to that stud dog owner, not all would do the same regardless of the green coming in. I would be happy to work with her.

Btw, Ever think the stud fee was already there being day 8 ?.

Not a well know stud but have one. And $1,000 for 45 mins. is an insane statement. That just shows how very little some think of this wonderful breed. Just a dog. Not all the work from birth ! They will buy one and have it standing in their back yard for use. Never pay a real stud fee. It does not cost them much for 15 mins. of use. Bet they are nice too. NOT ! $$$$$

Can you pls elaborate. I don't understand your point at all. It doesn't make any sense.