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Re: Co-own on Stud Dog

Your idea of 18 months is a great idea. The only thing that would be of worry is the legal ramifications if the dog in your name got out caused a wreck or some other problem.

The court is easier than you think to use to file suit against those few bad people and not that expensive. The small claims amount in your state could be added to the breach of contract clause in your contract.

The best thing is not to sell to anyone you don't totally trust or know, it's not worth it.

Re: Co-own on Stud Dog

Would anyone sell a show prospect male to someone whom you don't personally know, but who can provide personal recommendations from breeders you do know and trust?

Re: Co-own on Stud Dog

Retain full AKC ownership until all clearances are done. Then no litters can be registered. Have a contract that spells out the terms. And get ready for problems. Chances are you will have them. Remember the guy down the street with the poodle bitch can't register lab poodle mixes with the AKC anyway. And even the guy down the street with the Labrador bitch might not care about the AKC registration.

Re: Co-own on Stud Dog

Retain full ownership? I don't think the new owner would pay for a puppy without some proof of ownership and I doubt he would pay for clearances for the same reason. I'm only considering a co-own so he can show and to make sure he does things right if it gets to that. If I sell on limited he can't show the puppy. This new owner is a few years away from retirement and is looking for a hobby (showing), he isn't interested in breeding at all. Clearances and health of the sire and dam was his main concern when looking for a puppy. I realize if his dog does finish he may change his mind about breeding but I'm sure he will want to do it right.

How can someone register a litter by themselves if the dog is co-owned? I don't understand this.

The new owner wasn't looking for full registration from the get go. He totally understood his puppy would be sold on limited. His puppy evaluated very well and that's when the question about showing came up.

Re: Co-own on Stud Dog


All owners of record for the dam must sign the litter registration, only one sire owner has to sign to register a litter with AKC.

Taken from
http://www.akc.org/reg/registeralitter.cfm

"To register a litter, the litter owner should complete an an AKC Litter Registration Application . The application requires basic information such as the date of birth, number of males and females born, and the registered names and numbers of the sire and dam. The application must be signed by all of the owners and co-owners of the dam and by one owner of the sire. Failure to complete the application properly will result in processing delays."

Re: Co-own on Stud Dog

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The new owner wasn't looking for full registration from the get go. He totally understood his puppy would be sold on limited. His puppy evaluated very well and that's when the question about showing came up.


Then sell it on limited registration and he can train and practice at matches. You can change it to full registration when he has clearances. If he wasn't interested in showing from the get go you are asking for trouble. This hobby requires a passion, not a passing interest.

Re: Co-own on Stud Dog

Yes, all co-owners of the dam must sign. But, my understanding is that if one refuses to sign, the other co-owner can just jump through a few hoops with the AKC and get the litter registered. This seems consistent with the fact that the AKC's primary mission is to document the lineage of the pups and the AKC does not like to get in the middle of ownership squabbles. I am not positive if any of this is true and am posting it as an inquiry. I have often wondered if this is true. The person who told me this is a long time and very successful breeder and show person. But even people of this stature don't know everything...

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All owners of record for the dam must sign the litter registration, only one sire owner has to sign to register a litter with AKC.

Taken from
http://www.akc.org/reg/registeralitter.cfm

"To register a litter, the litter owner should complete an an AKC Litter Registration Application . The application requires basic information such as the date of birth, number of males and females born, and the registered names and numbers of the sire and dam. The application must be signed by all of the owners and co-owners of the dam and by one owner of the sire. Failure to complete the application properly will result in processing delays."